SGR: The Future Of.........

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

I think a better way of putting my argument would be this, if you were Loki what would you do?

If the Human race propagated via clones, and we were suffering from the affects, would you not want to save our species, save your friends & family by almost any means necessary? Your culture, your government everything you feel is human?

If I was Loki I would not trust that another species and trust that a government we felt were so young and so inexperienced and so reckless to carry on my research. I would have transferred into a human body and begun once again to solve my race's degenerative disease, as long as I didn't hurt anyone and even when I succeeded and could not return to my people, I could at least be content that I alone solved the disease and saved my race.

What would you do? If you consider Loki's personality and the resourcefulness he demonstrated I think you know the answer on what he would do.

I agree with just about every post you make Ben.
I find it hilarious how someone evaded the [do not resurrect old threads] rule, and now we're intensely debating the Replicators and the Asgard's perpetuation in canon if a prospective future season had have culminated, and hence we would find out either way whether either the replicators or Asgard return. Also, funny how ultimately this debate will decide whether the Replicators or Asgard are viable enough to be a future expansion to SGR, which DCG/Firesky have stated in the past that it will remain faithful to canon.

Though in regards to Loki being cunning/resourceful enough to transfer his consciousness into a human body, I don't doubt the idea but I do however doubt the intent. I think Loki just avoided the Asgard's ethics in meddling with humans from Earth, but if it came to the crunch and Loki had to decide between letting humanity figure out the dilemma or transferring his consciousness to a human body I think he'd pick neither.

Personally I don't think Loki would have opted to transfer his consciousness to a human body, namely because the human brain cannot sustain the level of advancement the asgard consciousness has evolved (my opinion anyway).
And that would be regardless of the "tampering" Loki does to the human body to compensate that.
But I don't think that means the Asgard are extinct, we still have the Lost Tribe and the Asgard Core which will sustain the consciousness idefinitely. Something to look forward to.

Replicators now!
There is a whole plethora of theories I could throw at people on the Replicators. At the moment I think it's a bit too parochial to summate the replicators as totally exacerbated from existence - no more Asurans and no more block replicators anywhere
Also I have difficulty digesting the mad scientist theory for their possible return (in-game), there's just something about it... maybe it's that it's too convenient, i don't know.

But I think the replicators nonetheless should return to SGU, if the producers do it right it wouldn't be a far-fetched idea.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur

snip.

listen, firstly the asgard could have created Asgard form replicator bodies and downloaded their consciousnesses from the asgard core into newly constructed bodies using the lab in Atlantis. Secondly, every post i make that is series related gets moved into a SGW forum which nobody can see. So What is going on here? All I see is speculation on plots devices here...

Back to SGR again

If there was to be Asgard or replicators in SGR there are many things that need to be discussed. The plot is not one of them, you can make any plot device to resurrect dead/defeated races in Sci-Fi - it happens all the time The lost tribe in Atlantis is just one. Oh yeah and the Asurans ?

Lets see, a wormhole malfunction causes some asgards from the past come through or Gen Carter cracks the Cloning problem with McKay ??


What i think is more interesting is how a race like the replicators could be implemented into SGR.

How can a Swarm be controlled by one player in UT3 engine ?
The Human Form Replicators (SG1) are not weapon users, The Asurans (SGA) are - using ancient pistols. So Which Replicators are we talking about?

The wraith seems easiest to convert imo

Soldier vs Jaffa vs Wraith drone (with the bone facemask)
Scientist vs Goa'uld vs Wraith Male (white hair vamp lookalike lol)
Commando vs Ash'rak vs Wraith Queen (you know!)

but the weapons for the Wraith queen ? i have no clue. The Wraith Male has a stun pistol and the Wraith drone has a Stun rifle.
I just imagine all Wraith can suck HP and paralyse at close quarters, which regens their HP. Also wraith have the ability to 'put HP back' into anyone they choose ? hmm. they are ALL healer class \o/ noob faction :/ ?

The Queen had psy powers which put sheppard on his knees. (i guess this is like discard but has the opposite effect, pulling them down and disabling them)

They must have lots of HP as they can run through many shots before succumbing to wounds.

Also Wraith it would be cool if Wraith did not 'respawn' but the corpses regenerated and came back to life where they died. Many times has this occured in the tv show. Also it means that a clear room may suddenly not be :

any one else ?

Originally Posted by Kurt_Russell

snippy/pasty

The issue I have with a nanite formed body, which I think would be the same issue for the Asgard, is ethics. I don't think the show (stargate franchise) wanted to establish as a part of their mythology that machines can somehow evolve too like humans, and I mean this as a natural form of progression as opposed to robots consuming raw materials to build themselves or others like them.

I think that may be why in SGA the Asurans could never reach Ascension, not because they needed "truth of spirit" and all that jazz, but there was a natural process to it too. In this sense I don't mean biological I mean more on an evolutionary level (not restricted to living things), but I'm certain those ascended would view the Asurans, as advanced as they maybe, more of a cheat/bypass to their destination - becoming pure energy.

If this argument is applied to the Asgard cloning issue, I think:
a) nanite construction combined with the Asgard consciousness would lose what humanity (for want of a better word) they once had. I don't think they would have ever intended their natural evolution (if that's what they'd like to call cloning) to be evered in such away where they shed their physical biological form to become a bunch of gears and be ailed by rust.

b)
secondly, wouldn't nanite technology be beneath the Asgard? I mean wouldn't that be counter-intuitive to regress to the machine form that they have struggled against for so long. I think it would be like succumbing to one's enemy, or in the case of stargate, accepting the Goaúld or Ori as gods and sacrifice everything that one is made up of.
Isn't that why the universal language between the 4 powerful races was elements, which then made up DNA. And while one race's DNA may be different to the other these are essentially the building blocks we are all founded on and the ones we can herald to and liken ourselves to others. To reject this fundemantality is to reject one's self, and to reject that is capitulating to the likes of the Replicators, nanite form beings that were spawned and know nothing of the qualites that make us individual.
THough I suppose that could be trumped by the cloning ethical argument, *sigh*.

Back to SGR.

As i've said previously I think with the UT3 engine it would be very difficult to engineer the Replicators (blocks) race. Not just graphically but the mentality of the race too, it wouldn't fit the profile in canon. I think it's better left alone than potentially ruined. I just don't think the pysics of the game allows for individual bugs interacting with just about every surface and acting in mob mentality.

However the Asurans are a much easier race tro work with. I wouldn't mind them being the initial third faction to the game in a future Atlantis expansion. It would just feel like the series. I don't think I'd enjoy just being lumped the Asurans, SGA teams, and the Wraith. It would be sort of too much too soon I think. But the difficulty of having three factions begs the question; should a potential third faction be meshed into a map and allow for three team to play against each other, or should it be map specific?

While that sounds limiting I think I'd prefer it instead of three teams fighting all out, possibly allowing for more lag as more players on the server would have to be added.
This is how I see it:
- Atlantis expansion...

Atlantis base
- you could have a sever set up for an Asuran invasion of Atlantis
- another server set up for Wraith invasion of Atlantis
and these could be different for each, e.g. king of the hill, capture the tech, deathmatch.


Oh and I like the death catch-22.
Are the wraith really dead or are they behind you?

It would be cool if the stunner worked differently to the zat.
E.g. collape to the ground wait a few seconds then get back up and fight.
Same for the death...
I reckon the Wraith should be given double the health of the SL faction, but it should be divided into two, so if you died once you'd merely collapse to the floor wait a couple of seconds then respawn from where you just died.

Second time you're killed you go back to spawn.

Also, I think to stop people from waiting then nading your second life away, the countdown should be there just like when you're re-spawning and then you get up once the timer is finished.

And I suppose while I'm on my wraith rant I suppose I should recommend now a great ACP for the Wraith Queen... a Wraith King!
While not explicitly called that in show there was that episode where a Hive Ship was controlled by a gruesome male wraith that hunted Ronin on Seteda. He was more mutated and muscular than the gaunt fleeting wraith that the show stereotypes heavily.

I should probably stop talking now and give someone else a go.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur

...Oh and I like the death catch-22.
Are the wraith really dead or are they behind you?
...

i see you like some of my wraith ideas :

@Gorthaur

TY for your comment about agreeing with me most of the time and I like to discuss Stargate as I never have anyone to debate with here.

As for Loki transferring his personality into a Human Body, lets not forget the Ancients are what you would call "Human" ... so maybe they could support an Asgard personality, but I like your idea, then again Humans are not the only race in the Galaxy are they ....

As for the Replicators I agree its a bit of a push saying yes, they are now all extinct, we haven't physically checked, but we can be sure they are all gone .... just like the Ancients did

Did that planet explode when that huge mass of replicators began sinking under the surface, I can't remember?

I agree also about the mad scientist thing, hate that kind of story writing its just silly and makes the public look stupid. A "true" writer would sit down and think of a logical way of how the race can "come back/re-emerge" and actually prove there worth with regard to qualifications and training etc.

@Kurt

Firstly a plot has certain rules all writers should follow 100% of the time, if they do not then that is how plot holes occur and the series or movie or whatever can get seriously messed up. Life is not like that 99.9% of the time, you can predict with a fair amount of accuracy "what will happen next" if you have all the relevant information. Writers have to abide by those rules, if a main character is a murderous mainiac, they won't suddenly turn round one day and say "Oh I want to be a kinder garden teacher" ... its not plausible with their personality traits, where as if they say "I will join a terrorist group" it fits with there profile ... so writing any old rubbish to resurect a fallen race .... give the public some credit

I would love to see replicators (milky way version) in SGR and it could be done (it would need a lot of work/coding though) if you have never played Global Agenda, you should they have very good PVE and they make you realise just what you could have in game in SGR.

I would have thought Wraith Queen would be on the level with the Goa'uld and Scientist, and that the Male Wraith would be the commando's/Ashraks level? Just to me fits better. I think the wraith could quite easily become a faction as you say

The replicators (milky way version) would only ever be PVE, the server would control them/spawn them. We could have random raids in the middle of matches (not every match) they emerge at random times on random servers and attack both teams

@Gorthaur 2nd post

I agree with the Asgard not using artificial bodies and there being a vital missing link for machines not gaining ascension. But thought I would say machines are made of some of the same elements we are (Iron in your blood)

Also the Devs have said all matches will only have two teams, wraith vs Tauri Goa'uld vs Ancients etc but we could have a possible PVE team controlled by neither with random spawns, but I would not expect anytime soon as it would require a lot of coding and I would be seriously surprised if they managed it without a larger team. Maybe in a few years, for now they are focusing on a buddy system, more character customisation and weapon combinations etc, all the basics for a good TPS

Honestly Ben, I don’t see how you are not getting this. Quotes from the Show:

As a race, we are dying. Very soon, we will all be gone.

Everything that can be done has been done. The final attempt to solve our physiological degeneration has left each of us with a rapid progressing disease

So if I was Loki and I was in the final, terminal stage of a cancer (as the Human analogue) that I had been attempting to cure for longer than recorded Human history and someone offered me the choice of dying or surviving inside the Core, I would survive inside the Core rather than dying. When I kick the bucket I fully intend to have my brain cryonically preserved before I reach Information Theoretic Death in the hopes that I can be resuscitated in the future (hoping for consciousness uploads and flesh printed bodies, but I digress).

If Loki chose not to go in the Core he would just be dead.

Getting bored of this conversation now, we are going around in circles and bringing up points I have already addressed (like how it would have been nice of the show to explicitly state that they rejected machine bodies to close that plothole).

I would like to see the SG-1 Asgard back, but if they do it will be resurrected from the Core, possibly tying in the Lost Tribe Asgard cure with the SG-1 Asgard in some way. For the purposes of SGR, I think that if they are going to add Asgard then it will be Lost Tribe Asgard as part of the Atlantis Expansion, also as I have said before.

I’ve posted my suggestions for other Factions before on a number of different Threads (including earlier in this one), I’m not going to do it again. Probably the most complete compilation of them is in this Post if you are interested.


@ Kurt. I would still like to see the Replicators as a playable Faction and I think it is very do-able for the future (the bug class being a single bug or a small swarm of four or five acting in tandem would not be that difficult to implement I think, particularly not for our Devs ), but addressing your Replicator NPC idea:

I think it is a good idea but as part of a specific Map (or Game Type that could be added across any of the Maps) rather than a regular part of the game triggered by kill streaks. I think it would have to be the Replicators attacking both Factions idea too.

My Wraith suggestions are also in the linked Post if you are interested.

I don't understand why you don't understand lol

I am not saying he could stay in his body, and of course he had the disease, but three things you are not considering.

1) You don't know how far in the stage Loki was with the defect.

2) You don't know how many bodies Loki had been through or how old he was.

3) He wouldn't need an ASGARD BODY to continue his research, he could just transfer his personality into a new host ... perhaps a human body, or one of the many aliens that SG1 came across, all he would need was his personality and memories to continue his research, and who is to say there isn't a cure and that Loki could not find it?

P.S. That was the opinion of one Asgard not all the race (lost tribe think differently).

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

I don't understand why you don't understand lol

I am not saying he could stay in his body, and of course he had the disease, but three things you are not considering.

1) You don't know how far in the stage Loki was with the defect.

2) You don't know how many bodies Loki had been through or how old he was.

3) He wouldn't need an ASGARD BODY to continue his research, he could just transfer his personality into a new host ... perhaps a human body, or one of the many aliens that SG1 came across, all he would need was his personality and memories to continue his research, and who is to say there isn't a cure and that Loki could not find it?

P.S. That was the opinion of one Asgard not all the race (lost tribe think differently).

Points 1 and 2:

They explicitly stated on the show that they all had the disease.

Explicitly. Not 'all but Loki have it'. Every one of them. Direct quotes in the last Post.

It doesn't matter how old Loki is, the current Clone generation had a rapidly progressing degenerative disease and so would the next, only worse.

3. I've already addressed this and Kurt even quoted it:

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

It would have been nice if the show explicitly stated that the war with the Replicators had made the Asgard reject artificial bodies (they could have made Human Form Replicator bodies shaped like Asgard for themselves for example) to explain why none chose that option.

As to why they didn't choose to change species... if that option worked they surely would have tried it 30,000 years ago? No? Why spend all of Human civilisation looking for a cure when they could have just hand waved themselves into Clones of Ancient bodies? They may have found it repugnant, the neural architecture may have been irrevocably incompatible like Ancient proved to be to Human brains when O'Neill downloaded the Ancient Archive or when Merlin had to put a self destruct on the copy he ported into Daniel, the Asgard may have already tried it, etc. So many potential reasons. Point is, if that worked the problem would have been solved millenia before they encountered the SGC (or the Vikings for that matter) so it clearly didn't. Seriously, we've had agriculture for only 10,000 years - they've worked on this cloning problem for at least three times that long, if they could have just ported to Human or Ancient you don't think they would have tried it before they committed mass-suicide? Or that Loki would have just done that in the first place rather than the experiments he tried on O'Neill and the other Humans. Instead one of them would have betted that everyone else was just exaggerating, tried it AFTER the rest of the species killed themselves (denying themselves any other option) and then not told anyone that it had worked so the rest of the species could be resurrected? Hmmm...

Your PS:

We have already stipulated that the Lost Tribe is both a different case - being as much of a splinter group from the Asgard at that point as Jaffa are from Humans - and a retcon. They were conceived of later. That's how the writers DID bring them back without brining them back. It has no baring on this discussion.

Simply put, if the writers ever were to bring back the Asgard from the Core wouldn't it just be easier to have a retcon that establishes the Wraith as having been annihilated and the Lost Tribe given the chance to move to Pegasus and finish their genetic problem?
After all they did split from the Milky Way/Othalla group to fix the problem. I don't think they are as disparate from the plothole as one may think.
I think the Lost Tribe is there to compensate wild inferences that not the whole of the Asgard suicided.
If there's anyone to fix the problem they will, slightly because they are less ethical than their Othalla/MilkyWay brethren.
They would be the one's to revive the Asgard from the core, or are they do divided that they would selfishly refuse? Find out next time on Stargate Universe Season 4.

Originally Posted by Gorthaur

Simply put, if the writers ever were to bring back the Asgard from the Core wouldn't it just be easier to have a retcon that establishes the Wraith as having been annihilated and the Lost Tribe given the chance to move to Pegasus and finish their genetic problem?
After all they did split from the Milky Way/Othalla group to fix the problem. I don't think they are as disparate from the plothole as one may think.
I think the Lost Tribe is there to compensate wild inferences that not the whole of the Asgard suicided.
If there's anyone to fix the problem they will, slightly because they are less ethical than their Othalla/MilkyWay brethren.
They would be the one's to revive the Asgard from the core, or are they do divided that they would selfishly refuse? Find out next time on Stargate Universe Season 4.

The Lost Tribe Asgard branched off 10,000 years ago and fixed the problem independently and in complete isolation. In the episode it was news to them that the rest of the Asgard had suicided. It is not an inference that not all of them suicided, The Lost Tribe didn't choose not to suicide, they were just completely separate. They were also a retcon added by the writers to reintroduce the Asgard to the mythology, they were not planned when Unending was made.

I also already said:

Originally Posted by Scott Morrison

I would like to see the SG-1 Asgard back, but if they do it will be resurrected from the Core, possibly tying in the Lost Tribe Asgard cure with the SG-1 Asgard in some way. For the purposes of SGR, I think that if they are going to add Asgard then it will be Lost Tribe Asgard as part of the Atlantis Expansion, also as I have said before.

As for the "selfishly refuse" part I think that if the Lost Tribe got intergalactic Hyperdrives to go from Pegasus to the Milky Way, or the Odyssey brought the Core to them then it would be more likely that the SG-1 Asgard would reject an unethical cure than the Lost Tribe would refuse to cure them (though as the Lost Tribe are a separate, divergent civilisation which is now less advanced than their brethren they would probably be afraid of retaliation for their ethical crimes in the eyes of the SG1 Asgard so there is still that possibility) like people refusing medical advances based on horrific experiments Joseph Mengele did during World War 2 (though I am not sure any of those actually exist, Mengele was all about the power trip). But that is all part of what would make it an interesting story if it is told.

Scott READ CAREFULLY ... LOKI HAS THE PHYSICAL DISEASE.... I never said he hadn't but you would go to any lengths to save your race, and that would include transferring your personality into a new body (not Asgard) so that you can continue working on your research.

The reason the Asgard din't transfer their personality into new bodies aka human or wraith or jaffa etc, is because technically they wouldn't be Asgard if they did. Loki would do this so he could continue on a cure, as you would do if your race was threatened and you had the means.

Stop trying to undermine his personality traits as it doesn't make sense ... he has already proved he would be willing to do pretty much anything to continue his research simple as, and the fact you don't know how far in the disease is very important, not everyone would drop dead the same day. If we all caught a major disease you might die weeks before me, maybe even months or years, we would all develope at different rates, not die all at the same time 2mins past 4 in the morning of the 23rd of September ... lol

If you argue using his past actions and his personality traits I would be more open to your views and opinions, but you haven't supported anything with what you say, just look at his past actions.

But like I say Loki would just transfer his personality into a different host, and continue his research, he could possibly transfer his personality back into an Asgard body when he has established a cure, but that wouldn't matter to him, only that he saved his race.

As for the Lost Tribe, they are very relevant. It proves that not all Asgard think the same, not all Asgard are above the ethical morales the High Council Stands by, and that they are willing to do anything (even murder) to achieve there goals. They are also in some ways MORE ADVANCED than the Milky way Asgard, how you ask? Well they were able to slow down the effects of this disease unlike the Milky Way Models ... so to say they are less advanced ...

1) Loki may have had a lot longer to live than the others

2) Wrong to state all Asgard would choose suicide

3) Not all Asgard are above performing unethical actions to save there race

4) Not all Asgard would be above downloading into another species to save there race, even if they could not return to an Asgard body (deduced from the past actions of Loki and the Lost Tribe)

Please create rebutals

The Ultimate Irony for the Asgard is to end up inside a Computer Core.. Being at war with Replicators for so long only to die out from a Cloning problem.

I still believe it would be fitting to have an Asgard form Replicator body for little old Thor. To become what they were at war with, but still being the same good asgard would be poetic.

Until the Time dilation got involved, they hadn't evolved to human form yet anyway. The way that Replicator Carter was created, i find it hard to believe a captured Asgard could not have been manipulated and copied in the same way.

-- Also i thought that the Asurans were a pretty weak plot device. Oh and By the Way, the ancients have this City made from replicator nanites in the form of human ancients possessing all the memories and knowledge of the ancients, with an "infinite number of ZPM's" at their disposal. Ships were under construction ! It was all very convenient when you consider that most early ?SGA series they never got any ZPM's. I really liked the episodes. I just thought it was a weak plot device.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Scott READ CAREFULLY ... LOKI HAS THE PHYSICAL DISEASE.... I never said he hadn't but you would go to any lengths to save your race, and that would include transferring your personality into a new body (not Asgard) so that you can continue working on your research.

The reason the Asgard din't transfer their personality into new bodies aka human or wraith or jaffa etc, is because technically they wouldn't be Asgard if they did. Loki would do this so he could continue on a cure, as you would do if your race was threatened and you had the means.

Stop trying to undermine his personality traits as it doesn't make sense ... he has already proved he would be willing to do pretty much anything to continue his research simple as, and the fact you don't know how far in the disease is very important, not everyone would drop dead the same day. If we all caught a major disease you might die weeks before me, maybe even months or years, we would all develope at different rates, not die all at the same time 2mins past 4 in the morning of the 23rd of September ... lol

If you argue using his past actions and his personality traits I would be more open to your views and opinions, but you haven't supported anything with what you say, just look at his past actions.

But like I say Loki would just transfer his personality into a different host, and continue his research, he could possibly transfer his personality back into an Asgard body when he has established a cure, but that wouldn't matter to him, only that he saved his race.

As for the Lost Tribe, they are very relevant. It proves that not all Asgard think the same, not all Asgard are above the ethical morales the High Council Stands by, and that they are willing to do anything (even murder) to achieve there goals. They are also in some ways MORE ADVANCED than the Milky way Asgard, how you ask? Well they were able to slow down the effects of this disease unlike the Milky Way Models ... so to say they are less advanced ...

1) Loki may have had a lot longer to live than the others

2) Wrong to state all Asgard would choose suicide

3) Not all Asgard are above performing unethical actions to save there race

4) Not all Asgard would be above downloading into another species to save there race, even if they could not return to an Asgard body (deduced from the past actions of Loki and the Lost Tribe)

Please create rebutals

Personality traits are irrelevant to his prognosis. Otherwise every cancer sufferer would be alive.

The Lost Tribe are irrelevant as they are a RETCON. They were not conceived of at the time. In Universe they were also at least 10,000 years separated and isolated from the Asgard civilisation that committed mass-suicide and they had yet to fully solve the problem.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

1) Loki may have had a lot longer to live than the others

Point 1. You have no evidence to support this. The show said they ALL had the rapidly progressing disease which they contracted when they attempted to cure the last batch of Clones. If you want to believe that he was exceptional you need to provide evidence, not hand waving. The show does not support you.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

2) Wrong to state all Asgard would choose suicide

Point 2. The show does not support you.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

3) Not all Asgard are above performing unethical actions to save there race

Point 3. Irrelevant at that stage. Just because you can be unethical doesn’t mean you can solve the problem. In the only episode Loki actually appeared in (SG-1 7x03 Fragile Balance) he was revealed to be inept. That was the word Thor used.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

4) Not all Asgard would be above downloading into another species to save there race, even if they could not return to an Asgard body (deduced from the past actions of Loki and the Lost Tribe)

Point 4. There is no evidence to support their doing this. If they could and it was a solution then 30,000 years of exploring the phase space of the problem would have resulted in it having been tried. Thus it didn’t work. In Fragile Balance they specifically said that a baseline Human body couldn’t take an Asgard consciousness.

Hand wave Loki’s survival if you really must but the show simply does not support you at all.

There’s a lot of stuff I would have liked the show to have done, said and revealed –as already stated, Kurt and I are on the same wavelength about Replicator Asgard bodies for example – but the show is the canon source. I'm sorry mate but the show simply does not support your belief that Loki survived outside the Core.

OMG I PUT IT IN HUGE CAPS LETTER LOKI HAD THE DISEASE!!! IM NOT SAYING HE DIDN'T!!!! READ!!!!

Right personality traits are very important its how you can determine what an individual will do next, how do you think they catch murderers in the police force? They examine the persons psycological profile, they basically guess aspects of his/her life and try to work out what they will do next, same with negociating with terrorists, they do a psycho analisis and then the negociations go from there etc etc so yes personality traits ARE VERY RELEVANT! Especially for story writers.

1) You don't know how far advanced Loki was wih the disease, "rapidly progressing disease" gives no real definition of a time scale, I agree you would think the end result would be soon, but who knows? To the Asgard perhaps "rapidly progressing" meant they only had a few years left? Again no real definition of a time scale.

2) The show does support me, based on his previous actions Loki and possible others would not support this form of action, also the "Lost Tribe" didn't and would never choose to suicide, infact they felt so strongly that they should be free from inteference of any kind (even from there own race) that they left to conduct and accomplish a cure by any means necessary (including genocide).

3) Agreed for the most part, but consider that not having the restrictions to perform unethical experiments would open up a whole new range of possibilities in finding a cure or slowing the disease down.

4) Humans aren't the only race in the Galaxy so they could use the dna of another race. The Asgard wouldn't on whole want to download into alien bodies as they would no longer be Asgard, only those like Loki would be willing to take the risk to continue researching a possible cure. They also may have considered experimenting with other Races dna to be unethical therefore never having tried that path ... although the Lost Tribe may have and thus been able to slow it down. The evidence is there personalities and past actions, Loki violated the Asgard High Council, I don't believe he would be beyond anything but Genocide to continue his research, and the Lost Tribe would even commit Genocide full stop.

With these things in mind, a cure is in the works yes?

Ty for doing the rebuttals, we can now have a proper debate

To be honest mate, I’m done with this conversation. The show doesn’t support you, I’m leaving it at that. If you need to hand wave him in you hand wave him in but there is no evidence to support you on the show. If The SG-1 Asgard come back in a show or movie it will almost certainly be via the Core. If we get Asgard in SGR I reckon it will be the Lost Tribe Asgard as part of the Atlantis Expansion. I’m leaving it here.

Read my rebuttals mate and you will see I have supported with evidence from the show and its good fun to debate and discuss don't become disheartened!

P.S. The lost tribe Asgard would still be good and would probably fit in much better for a TPS, you could also possibly choose whether to wear a suit or be naked

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Read my rebuttals mate and you will see I have supported with evidence from the show and its good fun to debate and discuss don't become disheartened!

You have not. It has been explicitly stated on both SG-1 and SGA that the Asgard from SG-1 are dead. They survive in the Core installed on the Odyssey, if you want to believe one of them skipped out and survived in a Mary Sue fashion then on you go but your arguments are tenuous wish fulfilment based on your model of his personality, so enjoy it if you want but the show says that they are dead.

Then rebuttal my rebuttals

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Then rebuttal my rebuttals

Dude, we've already gone around. The shows said they were dead. Two years later they again said that they were dead. End of. Anything else is fanservice on your part.

Dude the story writers had massive plot holes you yourself said "it didn't fit as neatly as it should" lol

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

Then rebuttal my rebuttals

Anything not stated in the TV Show is pure speculation and as such, Fan-Fiction. Interesting Ideas though.

Try and make it more "Stargate-Resistancey"

I stand by my idea that the Lost Tribe could be a good addition to SGR and that it would be even cooler if we could choose to be naked

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

I stand by my idea that the Lost Tribe could be a good addition to SGR and that it would be even cooler if we could choose to be naked

I refute this notion vehemently.
You are a pervert sir. Sick sick sick.
If not the armored suit then at least give them pants. Ben Browder would have wanted it too.

I was thinking about the Asurans and the Azgard (Lost Tribe).
While a TPS (DCG) does not support the level of interactivity a single player game does (due to increase in lag) it would be cool, as the Asurans, if you could merge through walls.

I know it's silly but even if it was the spawn door and the Asuran player could merge through a nanite/replicator block wall, like 5th/RepliCarter can. Just a similar slow-motion graphic like the stargate travel from the SL spawn on the SGC map.

As for the Lost Tribe, it'd bs awesome if you could cut through the floors (like Atlantis) and go to the level beneath, but I suppose the rings are already a great device in-game.

Originally Posted by Ben_Maxwell

I stand by my idea that the Lost Tribe could be a good addition to SGR and that it would be even cooler if we could choose to be naked

i admit the asgard in SGW looked wierd with armor and stuff on them. In the show they were "naked"

As Kurt said the Milky way models were technically "naked" maybe they could sell it as an ACP?

Perhaps the standard Asgard for the lost tribe will have the exoskeleton suits, they could give the Asgard a hand healing device and some form of shield tech along with a drone and of course the fancy guns they used on the show (hand device was also on the show).

I like your ideas about the Asurans, not sure how you could make them into a playable faction though, unlike the Wraith.

The Wraith fit so easily into the Game I would be surprised if they were never introduced. We also have the 3 starter class (Wraith Queen, Wraith Male & Wraith Drone). They would be an awsome additon to SGR especially with a Wraith Hive Map!!!!